Help with information about demand for Linux certifications?
david.robson at dtst.com.au
Wed Oct 30 09:10:00 CST 2013
We occasionally take in work experience kids and we find them quite adaptable. Teaching while their minds are a little more "elastic" is perhaps the key.
Windows kids continuing in that path are in for a shock when they find the latest server products are heading back to the command line (surprise!) in significant ways.
I have overheard a few Windows Admins complaining "…they want us to use powershell…". I try not to giggle.
As an employer I think certification has value in setting a benchmark, as I'm finding disappointing results in people that say the "know linux". We started developing an internal exam to see if we can separate the chaff from the wheat so to speak.
I believe wise IT managers would prize staff with Linux "familiarity" to the level you mention, as this knowledge means slicing through windows equivalent concepts is more trivial in some ways.
Certainly I have rang the Bigpond help desk to find the staff do not know what DNS is. Not much help if they can't do the basics…. ;-)
On 29/10/2013, at 4:57 PM, Jackie Brooks <Jackie.Brooks at tafesa.edu.au> wrote:
> Thanks everyone for some really good food for thought
> The audience are students who are doing a Certificate IV in Information Technology Networking in a VET organisation.
> The majority of the students have never used Linux before so we normally just cover the basics and some networking (basic Apache, BIND, NFS & dare I say Samba)
> The ‘Windows kids’ normally struggle quite a bit with using the command line as these days everything is point and click but there is usually one student per class who has a natural aptitude for Linux and excels in the subject.
> For their skill level most will find employment in entry level support roles and we find that very little students want to obtain a certification in any of the disciplines.
> Perhaps I should have started with what Linux distributions are being used out there in industry and start from there J
> From: Gaggl, Leo [mailto:leo at brightcookie.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 3:18 PM
> To: Paul Gardner-Stephen
> Cc: Tomasz Grzegurzko; Jackie Brooks; linuxsa at linuxsa.org.au
> Subject: Re: Help with information about demand for Linux certifications?
> Interesting topic. Apart from agreeing with both Tomasz & Paul on what has been said so far I would add
> a) the whole "Industry Certification" - or the less commonly used (but more telling) term of "Vendor Certification" reeks more like corporate profiteering (for both Vender and Certifying Body) and Vendor Marketing rather than any effective quality control measure. Having participated personally on some of the early components of such schemes, these days I would actually hold too many "certificates" against that individual. All it shows me is that more time is spend on collecting certificates than innovation on the actual job.
> The answers on this Stackexchange thread might be helpful: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/44/are-certifications-worth-it
> b) the concept of a portfolio of past work and experiences is I think what would be much more useful. As Paul mentioned an active committer to OS projects (Github, Ohloh, ...) or an active social media presence in areas of expertise is what I look for in those areas.
> From an employers point of view the only positive thing that a Certification would tell me is that the person is willing & capable to deal with bureaucracies and can stick to a goal. Other than that I would not base much emphasis on it. Demonstrable experience and references would be more crucial.
> From a Students perspective the question might be what kind of a job do you want. If you are aiming for some Government IT Admin job or getting into a large Corporate IT Silo these pieces of paper are some kind of entry-level sacrifice you have to make to the CIO gods so they can make a tick in the compliance column. But for SME or Startup they would be largely irrelevant.
> A good educational basis (be it VET or Tertiary) in a Computer Science related subject is another story though.....
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