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  From: Evan Bourlotos <evan@cs.adelaide.edu.au>
  To  : Simon Hackett <simon@internode.com.au>
  Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:47:28 +0900

Re: 'Local Access' downloading accounts [was: Re: InternodeADSL - here at last :)]

Simon,
I forgot to add to my previous post. I think it unlikely any SA gamers
would seriously consider any long termish dialup solutions they are madly
saving for ADSL and anything short of that I doubt they would be interested
in.

A USER friendly/centric service I guess would be good but isnt it too
idealistic and probably not worth the effort.

my 0.2c

Evan



At 05:09 PM 27/04/01 +0930, Simon Hackett wrote:
>Ok, so here's a question for y'all on this topic (which has morphed 
>back into into how to access local ISP resources equitably for you 
>and your ISP, without, hopefully, too many arguments about the bill 
>or how it was calculated)
>
>I'm chewing over creating a new sort of dialup account here @ 
>Internode, which was actually oriented towards supporting online 
>gaming, but would also address the issue of accessing lots of 
>Internet news as well.
>
>The account would be approximately like this:
>
>- $24.95 per month
>- unlimited time
>- unlimited downloads (yes, really), from LIMITED SOURCES (read on):
>
>- full internet/web/etc access to any 'local' web servers (in our 
>customer base, or attached to SAIX member ISP's customer bases)
>
>- access filters applied so that downloads are only permitted from 
>local-to-Internode and SAIX-connected sources
>
>- full access to email (but only via the Internode mail server)
>
>- full access to our news server (which has a completely loony amount 
>of content on it, fed from multiple happy satellite sources)
>
>- full access to our games servers
>
>- blocked access to any content other than the above.  Try to surf 
>outside of those boundaries, and it won't work. Try to use any other 
>IP ports outside of those boundaries and it won't work.
>
>- dynamic IP address (only, no static option)
>
>- idle timer (probably fairly low - maybe 30 mins)
>- session hard limit (probably something like 6 hours)
>
>- special indial number to use this account, available Adelaide area 
>and  Willunga/Fleurieu only (so far) - i.e. places where we have 
>broadband private links back to Adelaide, as we install them - next 
>likely area would be Barossa Valley
>
>- option for full Internet access by dialling our *standard* numbers, 
>but with *all* access (over a nominal/token included 50 Mb per month) 
>charged at $0.18/Mb. So if you really need that external thing in a 
>pinch, either pay-as-you-go downloads, or use some other ISP account 
>you might have lurking for that need anyway
>
>- Acceptable Use Policy covering deliberate attempts to rip us off 
>(such as port bouncing to other Internet links and ftp-by-mail 
>software to do huge external downloads through our long suffering 
>mail server)
>
>---
>
>My target here was game players (playing on either our game servers 
>or any other servers attached to SAIX), but it also works equally 
>well for news server downloading.
>
>Would anyone go for the above? Is it a useful thing to offer?
>
>What it *does* offer you is the opportunity to create 'self service' 
>local download optimisation.
>
>What it boils down to is this:
>
>	- dial one number, get local only for $0 per Mb
>	- dial another number, get everything for $0.18/Mb.
>
>So this is yet another opportunity for you to influence our product 
>development :)
>
>The above popped into my head a few weeks ago as one way to offer a 
>reward for local access that was not subject to argument - i.e. on 
>the special indial number, if you can get it at all, we definitely 
>won't charge you for it - so there is no need to be worried, just try 
>it - if it works, it's $0 per Mb. If it doesn't, then it isn't (and 
>you can dial our main numbers to pay $0.18 /Mb to get it)
>
>Cheers,
>   Simon
>
>At 6:08 PM -0700 25/4/01, Ian McLeod wrote:
>>Actually - news downloads can often blow my usage sky
>>high.  I would be mor than happy with a local
>>'un-metered' news service.  Just downloading 1,000 new
>>headers and then message bodies (if I want to run a
>>search) can be huge.  And then there are the binary
>>groups for me to use should I need them.
>>
>>--- John Edwards <isplist@pinnacle.net.au>
>>  > wrote:
>>  >Ian McLeod wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> The list goes on.  I don't think it is a hundred
>>  >> individuals going sick that is the problem - it is
>>  >> often 100 individuals downloading similar material
>>  >> at some point which could have been stored locally.
>>  >
>>  >Sadly, Linux users who need to download ISO's are very much in the
>>  >minority of ISP users.
>>  >
>>  >Also, caching big files doesn't scale very well, unless you've got a
>>  >sort of file sharing and mirroring service. Since the majority of big
>>  >downloaders are after 3 things (porn, mp3s, and warez), no ISP in this
>>  >country can safely offer a content distribution service for such items.
>>  >
>>  >Maybe someone can negotiate you an all-you-can-eat rate for usenet news,
>>  >which would let you continue downloading indefinately without adding a
>>  >lot of cost to the ISP side of things if they already have a full
>>  >newsfeed. Maybe you don't want news, but content only becomes valuable
>>  >when someone wants it :)
>>  >
>>  >John Edwards
>>
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